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I'm trying to set up Zappa M II for analysis but it doesn't seem to respond to the uci settings. I'm assuming this means that you have to change the parameters in the zappa ini file similar to the old winboard engines. It seems to work with the hash. But what I'm wondering is if anybody can help me with the rest of the parameters. I'm more of a chess player, and less of an engine guy.
Any help would be great.The following is an exact copy of my ini file. I was using Zappa through polyglot, in chessmaster. More recently I've been using Kvetka. Kvetka only lets you set a couple settings, so I definately need the ini file there. I did figure out what was happening through polyglot. I guess Zappa must have a bug. It doesn't seem to respond when I set the hash to 128mb, but when I set it to 129mb it seems fine?
Maybe its a polyglot bug, who knows with these things. I still really hoping that someone can explain what those search parameters mean? Such as futility pruning, history pruning, null move, etc.
The 32 bit single Zappa MII really sucks at blitz on my machine, I'm hoping I can tune it for some improvement. Zappa M I also sucks on my machine. I'm thinking maybe that Zappa was really built to be a 64 bit engine, because there seems to be a huge gap between the 32 and 64 bit versions. But I must say I really like the style of play by Zappa M I and II.
Thats why I'm hoping I can tweak it slightly to get a better 32 bit game. Posts: 92 Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:31 am. Under Shredder Classic adding this to the.eng file is enough (these are the XIII settings as example): OPTIONS Aggressive Futility Pruning=true Eval Passed Pawn Scoring=102 Eval Pawn Scoring=102 Eval Minor Scoring=104 Eval Major Scoring=108 Eval Kingsafety Scoring=200 Hide Fail Highs=false They work, but after being used Zappa doesn't make any change to the ini file. What you're asking for is very technical (like Null move causing the engine to discard positions when one side is just fine after making two moves in a row, which could lead the engine to prune the wrong move on a deep zugzwang, though it may be a lot more complex), sorry if I can't help. Posts: 838 Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:33 am.
Give more feedback. Thanks for the settings, I appreciate it. I tested them, they seem to be very close to default strength wise but more aggressive.I'm wondering if its normal that Zappa Mexico II really sucks on 32 bit machine at 5 minute time controls.
I have a P4 2.8 with 1 gig ram. I just ran a 5 minute tourney with some fairly weak engines.
Colossus 2008b, Ruffian 2.1.0, The King 3.23, Naum 2.0, Pro Deo 1.2, Scorpios 1.91, and then I threw Zappa Mexico II in the tourney. It finished somewhere in the middle of the pack. This is surprising considering Zappa is supposed to be ranked 2900 or so. All the engines in the tourney are under 2750 with the exception of Naum 2.0.Basically I want to know if this is normal and Zappa is useless on 32 bit machines, or should I check to see if something if wrong with my setup?
-This is really disappointing considering all the praise I here from Zappa fans. Posts: 92 Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:31 am.
One more important thing to add to this: test the settings in the reflection time that you want to use it. The reason for this addition is obvious. I also found ways to improve on the default setting but these changes do not apply to blitz. I experimented with settings that would lead to solving difficult test positions faster than the default and preferably faster than Rybka. Zappa's strength is the absence of 'blind spots', relatively speaking, when you give it enough time. From what I can see it does not exhibit many 'pruning errors'. Nevertheless pruning was introduced in the default setting because it makes a big difference in fast time control.
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Skipping various kinds of pruning, especially aggressive pruning, makes sense as a starting point of your testing if you give every position enough time, i.e. 5 minutes or more. Vytron, Sorry for this late response. Wasn't it that 'X' was their way of saying 'Beta'? A 'Zappa X' existed before Mexico was released, and another one after it, and another one after Mexico II, etc.) I keep hearing different versions of the story each time (pun intended.) Precisely. Zappa 'X' was Zappa Team's (or Anthony Cozzie's) way of coining it a Beta. I stressed the 'X' being an intermediate beta because some people who may not be aware of this are apt to assume that this Zappa X is another stable version or an update that was released after Zappa Mexico II and this is not the case.
More than likely, on a default setting between these two, the last version released by Anthony Cozzie (Zappa Mexico II) on Jan of 2008 is stronger than this beta Zappa aka Zappa X. 'Zappa X' was still being tested by Erdo after the release of Zappa Mexico II, That may be the case that Erdo was still testing the Zappa X long after the release of Zappa Mexico II. I think it would be more correct to say that Zappa X is simply the private Zappa beta version: it was intermediate between Mexico I and Mexico II, intermediate between Zanzibar and Mexico, and 'intermediate' after Mexico and a hypothetical version that was never released. This is exactly what I said/implied in my initial post to this Topic.
Without a doubt, Erdo may have still tested or played with Zappa X long after the final release of Zappa Mexico II for whatever personal reasons he had. This is analogous to HIARCS 12.1 and HIARCS Paderborn 2007 - there are some HIARCS fan who still prefer the HIARCS Paderborn2007 version over HIARCS 12.1 because of it's playing style or choosing an exceptional but equally brilliant moves that most engines won't pick etc. The same may be applicable to Erdo as to why he still played with the Zappa X even after the release of a stable and stronger version: Zappa Mexico II.
Of course, Erdo had his personal reasons. What I'm saying, though, is that Zappa X is also the most advanced Zappa version-it's whatever beta is being used at the time. Zappa X being advanced to its predecessors.True!
However in this case, there IS/WAS no Zappa X actively developed after the release of Zappa Mexico II (January, 2008). Therefore the notion that Zappa X is also the most advanced Zappa version-it's whatever beta is being used at the time. Just doesn't apply to Zappa Mexico II as, in reiteration, Zappa X (regardless of which Zappa X) served as an experimental engine before the final, finished product: Zappa Mexico II. Keep in mind, after the final release of Zappa Mexico II (January, 2008), Anthony Cozzie retired due to higher academic ambitions. So if I were to consider your position on Zappa X as the most advanced Zappa version, then it would imply that Zappa X was developed after the release Zappa Mexico II in favor of further developing Zappa Mexico II or to release, say, Zappa Mexico III? My understanding is that Zappa X is also a little bit more advanced than Zappa Mexico II, but Anthony soon realized that he was not going to be able to get much of an additional strength increase, and was discouraged by Zappa Mexico II, so he retired to focus more on academia. Zappa X is simply the developmental version.
The release versions are certain stages of Zappa X, so they get special names-but Zappa X was constantly undergoing modifications and improvements from the early Zappa stages until some point past Zappa Mexico II. My understanding is that Zappa X is also a little bit more advanced than Zappa Mexico II, but Anthony soon realized that he was not going to be able to get much of an additional strength increase, and was discouraged by Zappa Mexico II, so he retired to focus more on academia. Zappa X is simply the developmental version. The release versions are certain stages of Zappa X, so they get special names-but Zappa X was constantly undergoing modifications and improvements from the early Zappa stages until some point past Zappa Mexico II. I see what you're saying.that though Zappa 1.1, Zappa Mecico I and II versions were released publicly, the underlying mainline was Zappa X. Anyway, it's still a lose that Zappa is no longer in development. Zappa certainly had it's own style of play and features that are lacking in other commercial engines.
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The best I've seen is the Zappa Mexico II Personality: Dissident Aggressor. Its gambits are unsound most of the time, and when they're sound, it'll probably play another gambit and ruin it (it doesn't know when to stop sacrificing), but when they fully work, whoa! Its advantage over Junior is that when Junior doesn't see anything, it'll stay playing passive moves, while Dissident will continue playing actively.
Its advantage over Thinker is that when someone attacks Thinker, Thinker will hold back to defend, while Dissident will rather lose than defend. Its advantage over Houdini. Does Houdini have a playing style? It seems to me it just plays solidly and waits for the opponent to make a mistake, then it heavily punishes it, it doesn't seem to me a Gambit engine at all. I just posted them the other day: Here they are again: Zappa Mexico II - Dissident Aggressor personality. OPTIONS Enable Mate Extensions=true Aggressive Futility Pruning=true Eval Passed Pawn Scoring=125 Eval Pawn Scoring=135 Eval Minor Scoring=70 Eval Major Scoring=70 Eval Kingsafety Scoring=500 Hide Fail Highs=false Print PV Tips=true Huh, actually, that's my modification, original settings changed contempt, but I found that just disrupted the engine for analysis, so I recommend these settings.
I dont think so. It was what His rivals thought not me. This is what it is said about him:- Born: June 17, 1929 in Tbilisi, Georgia (USSR) Died: August 13, 1984 in Moscow, Russia Playing Style and Legacy: Tigran Petrosian was known for his incredible defensive capabilities, which made him among the most difficult players to defeat in the history of chess. This style earned him the nickname 'Iron Tigran.' Of course, as a World Champion, Petrosian was strong in all aspects of the game; but his ability to sense tactical danger and maintain the safety of his position is what stands out when looking at his games. Rather than look to land a spectacular finishing blow, Petrosian was satisfied with accumulating small advantages and winning strategically. You have Not understand chess.
Better you read properly. One wins when opponent makes mistakes.
If no one make mistakes,game is drawn. But the ability lies in forcing the opponent to make mistakes. Thats what petrosian was good. His defence is so good that his opponents try some thing different to win but He doesnot give any chances. You can refer. I have lots of qoutes on him in the books I have. Better you read properly.
Chess is about human error. Tigran Petrosian is most famous for being one of the best players pioneering the theory of prophylaxis, years after Aron Nimzowitsch. His style of play was often highly strategical, notable for anticipating opponent's possible attacks and he based many of his games on avoidance of error, content with accumulating small advantages. Ok nice poetry but. Wrong conclusion. If your opponent makes a mistake you try to capitalize of it.
You could launch an attack against the king or strangle him positionally, so Petrosian style did not confuse the adversary, it was a way to achieve victory of save a difficult position. So your original statement is indeed wrong. Remember you said Petrosian won his games because he just waited for the opponent to blunder, and that is a falsehood, because as you quoted later his style was positional and that was his way to achieve his chess results not waiting for the opponent to blunder, which is an insult to Petrosian style of play. Besides if that were true the same could be said to all chess players of all times, they just waited for the opponent to blunder. Make things simple. You are complicating. T Petrosian was a defensive player, hence boring.
He Developed/defended first. He never launched a straight out attack like Tal did. Then he starts strategic planning.
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If opponents couldnot fathom his plan they make blunder. Then he starts attack. 'He waits for opponent to make blunders' is what all chess player do. If opponent does not you cant win. He always played with Draw in Hand attitude. Look at this game.
Event 'Tilburg (07)' Site 'Tilburg (07)' Date '1981.????' EventDate '?' Result '0-1' White 'Garry Kasparov' Black 'Petrosian' ECO 'D25' WhiteElo '?' BlackElo '?'
PlyCount '83' 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 Bg4 5.Bxc4 e6 6.h3 Bh5 7.Nc3 a6 8.g4 Bg6 9.Ne5 Nbd7 10.Nxg6 hxg6 11.Bf1 c6 12.Bg2 Qc7 13.O-O Be7 14.f4 Nb6 15.g5 Nfd7 16.Qg4 O-O-O 17.Rb1 Kb8 18.b4 Nd5 19.Na4 f5 20.Qg3 Nxb4 21.Bd2 Nd5 22.Rfc1 Ka7 23.Qe1 Ba3 24.Rc2 Qd6 25.Rb3 Qe7 26.Qe2 Rb8 27.Qd3 Bd6 28.Nb2 Rhc8 29.Nc4 Bc7 30.a4 b5 31.axb5 cxb5 32.Ra2 Kb7 33.Bb4 Qe8 34.Bd6 Ra8 35.Qb1 Kc6 36.Rba3 bxc4 37.Rxa6+ Rxa6 38.Rxa6+ Bb6 39.Bc5 Qd8 40.Qa1 Nxc5 41.dxc5 Kxc5 42.Ra4 0-1 Here Kasparov was all out on attack. Kasparov attacked and attacked and Tigran defended and defended and won!! He had a boring style. He won spectacular games as black rather than as white!!
Only b'coz of his style. Against tactical Players he could not stand. His defensive style unsuited to that type of game. Gta san andreas tank mods. Like this Event 'Ch URS ( 1/2 )' Site 'Moscow' Date '1947.????'
EventDate '?' Round '13' Result '0-1' White 'Petrosian' Black 'Yuri Averbakh' ECO 'C89' WhiteElo '?' BlackElo '?' PlyCount '80' 1. Exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Qf1 Qxf1+ 22.
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Bxe2 Rxe2+ 33. Axb5 cxb5 37.
Rxa6 Rxc1 40. Nxb5 Rxf5 0-1 Even his slow plans are not effective always. Event 'Ch URS (1/2 final)' Site 'Moscow (Russia)' Date '1947.????' EventDate '?' Round '4' Result '1-0' White 'Ilia Abramovich Kan' Black 'Petrosian' ECO 'D45' WhiteElo '?' BlackElo '?' PlyCount '83' 1.
Nxe8 Rhxe8 25. Rxd1 Nf3+ 27. Gxf3 Qg3+ 28. Qg2 Qxg2+ 29.
Kxg2 Bxb2 30. Kxg7 1-0 So what i said is correct but the pronblem is with you relating both. There are two type of players in chess OTB. Some who play in such a way that they make sure opponent makes blunder like Nezmetedinov,Tal, Bronstein,Spielmann and some players who wait for opponent to make mistakes like Tarrasch,Rubinstein,Reti, Flor,Lillienthal, Miles,Levenfish and many more.
This is not what i say.The players of there time say. Read the book by Ludek Pachmann if you are interested. Wrong in all accounts, why are you spreading lies against Petrosian?
So if opponents could not fathom his plan they blunder? Wow if that is not the more simplistic explanation of a player style then what it is? Against tactical Players he could not stand So what is Kasparov that he beat in the game you posted, a charity nun? Again contradicting yourself. There are two type of players in chess OTB. Some who play in such a way that they make sure opponent makes blunder like Nezmetedinov,Tal, Bronstein,Spielmann and some players who wait for opponent to make mistakes like Tarrasch,Rubinstein,Reti, Flor,Lillienthal, Miles,Levenfish and many more.
Ok the problem is this erroneously distinction you are making. Have you seen the wiki sources? They are all the best manuscript on chess. Why did you ask sources then?
Still I am giving you another clue to the proof of what i said. I said Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian was 1. Boring or Dull or Ultraconservative. Playing style sometimes dubbed as 'Boa Constrictor' Like.
Never goes to start tactical battle. Waits for opponent to make mistakes. Was himself a Tactical Genius.Defended first not to allow any from the opponent and Hence waited for mistake and them Boom!! So Please refer this book i have:'Warriors Of The Mind,'(a quest for the supreme genius of the chess board)'by GM Raymond Keene and Nathan Divinsky. It is written that Tigran Petrosian had a reputation as a BORING player, even today this myth persists.
I would not describe Petrosian this way, however his penchant for quick and easy draws could certainly be labeled as dull. It is probably more likely that the average player was simply incapable of understanding his style of play.
Before arguing Me Brush up your knowledge first. When I say I have correct Sources at my back up.
Never say what I don't know. You should probably do the same. Regards Om Prakash. You know what is a myth? Read what is written Later and before and not the Particular sentence.
Meanings change. That was written from authors perspective and later it was written Tigran Petrosian had a reputation as a BORING player, even today this myth persists. I would not describe Petrosian this way, however his penchant for quick and easy draws could certainly be labeled as dull. It is probably more likely that the average player was simply incapable of understanding his style of play. I have Highlighted the Important words READ IT FIRST!!. The Author considers it myth but again agrees his quick and easy draws certainly said to be dull.
I have posted enough sources to prove what i said was right now you prove that you are right.(I know you cant) What ever I said Stands. It is from the players ho have played them like Korchnoi and Tal. You think your personal views are better than them? How pathetic.
If you behave Like a Blind I cant help it. Just can't Imagine How dumb you are?
Majority is always granted. So what is Kasparov that he beat in the game you posted, a charity nun?
Again contradicting yourself. I dont think that you Are such a fool that you can't understand that I gave some examples?. Kasparov lost as he tried to win a drawn or equal position. As a rule of thumb If you overdo a position which is equal then you are likely to loose. Better shake hands. So if opponents could not fathom his plan they blunder?
Wow if that is not the more simplistic explanation of a player style then what it is? That is what we call. All are not capable of those moves. It was started by Tigran Himself later Used by Karpov. This is what Kasparov has to say in My Great Predecessors Petrosian introduced the exchange sacrifice for the sake of 'quality of position', where the time factor, which is so important in the play of Alekhine and Tal, plays hardly any role. Even today, very few players can operate confidently at the board with such abstract concepts. Before Petrosian no one had studied this.
By sacrificing the exchange 'just like that', for certain long term advantages, in positions with disrupted material balance, he discovered latent resources that few were capable of seeing and properly evaluating It is to Petrosian's advantage that his opponents never know when he is suddenly going to play like Mikhail Tal. Boris Spassky. Sorry sir but the only foolishness here are your comments about Tigran Vartanovich. As these are not only my views. You said his strategy failed against attacking players, so again I ask what is Kasparov?
Kasparov game was to show the defense of Tigran Petrosian not kasparov attacking. Look at the Game of Yuri Avervakh beating in Marshall Attack. What does the positional exchange sacrifice got to do with opponents blundering? Most don't understand why it was done. So they continue with their plan falling into Tigrans Deep Plan.